Podcast: Girl Scouts, Juliette Gordon Low and Shannon Henry Kleiber

Strocel.com Podcast Girl Scouts On My Honor Shannon Henry KleiberFrom the time that I started grade one until the time that I graduated from high school, I was actively involved in Girl Guides of Canada. Later on, when I graduated from university I became a Brownie leader, which I enjoyed immensely. I continued right up until I was in labour with my daughter Hannah, quite literally. I had expected to join up again when Hannah reached kindergarten, but that didn’t quite work out. All the same, after more than 15 years as an active member of the organization, part of me will always be a Girl Guide. This is why, when I had the chance to speak with Shannon Henry Kleiber, author of On my Honor: Real Life Lessons From America’s First Girl Scout, I took it.

Shannon is a writer with a particular interest in stories that highlight some aspect of American culture. When her own daughter became a Girl Scout and she volunteered as a Troop Leader, she became curious about Juliette “Daisy” Gordon Low, the founder of Girl Scouts in the United States. I was curious to know more, since I knew literally nothing about her. I am very familiar with the story of how Girl Guides got their start at a Boy Scout rally in the UK in 1909, and how the movement came to Canada in 1910, but that was the extent of my knowledge.

Strocel.com Podcast Girl Scouts On My Honor Shannon Henry KleiberWhat I discovered, thanks to Shannon, is the story of a woman who was very much ahead of her time. Daisy founded the Girl Scouts when she was 51 years old. She placed great value on teaching girls life skills, and encouraging them to be independent. Plus, she did all of this at a time when women didn’t even have the vote. Shannon believes that her story – and the organization that she founded – continues to hold value for girls and women today. After learning more about Daisy, I’m inclined to agree.

Whether you’re a former Girl Guide or Girl Scout, you have a daughter yourself, or you’d just like to learn more about this woman who wanted to encourage personal growth in girls, you’ll want to listen to the podcast:

Next week on the Strocel.com podcast I’ll be sharing an interview with Frances Jones from the BC Women’s Milk Bank here in Vancouver and Pauline Sakamoto from the Mothers’ Milk Bank in San Jose, California. Both women are also past presidents of the Human Milk Banking Association of North America (HMBANA). We talked about human milk banking, the ever-present need for donor milk, and what makes HMBANA milk banks different. Subscribe to the Strocel.com podcast in iTunes, and you won’t miss a minute!

I, Girl Guide

Before I start this post, I’m going to give some background. Girl Guides are the Canadian equivalent of Girl Scouts of the USA. Or, more accurately, Girlguiding UK. It’s a girl’s organization that emphasizes leadership, the outdoors and co-operation. And also? They sell cookies.

I first joined Girl Guides as a 6-year-old Brownie in 1982. My mother decided to sign me up – probably because she thought it would be fun. And it was. I made friends and learned songs and wore a cool brown uniform. I earned badges and went to camp where I cried the whole time. I made survival kits and Christmas ornaments that I’m pretty sure my mom still has.

Me as a new Brownie
Me as a new Brownie in 1982

I was a natural fit for Girl Guides. I like structure and rules and ritual. I can be socially anxious, so it’s awesome to have an organization to break the ice for me. I also love achievement and gold stars and nice red check-marks beside my name. The badges, insignia and program work of Guiding gave me all of that in spades.

I attended Brownies, then Guides, then Pathfinders, then Rangers. I signed up for the full meal deal, starting in grade 1 and finishing in grade 12 (in 1988 Guiding added Sparks for 5-year-olds, but that was after my time). I camped in the snow (miserable), in the rain (slightly less miserable) and in the sun (hardly miserable at all). I travelled internationally and helped out in other units and planned events and led campfires. Guiding was something that played a fairly significant role in my youth.

Brownie enrollment
Making my Brownie promise on enrollment night

Once I graduated from high school and moved away to university my involvement waned. But when I finally finished engineering school I called the Girl Guide membership line and volunteered as a leader. I became a Brownie leader, and also a part-time Ranger leader, and immersed myself back in the world of Girl Guides. This time I was the one who took the girls to camp and taught the songs and awarded the badges. It was fun. The girls were awesome and I loved seeing them every week.

I was a Girl Guide leader for 5 years, continuing throughout my pregnancy with Hannah. In fact, I was supposed to take my Brownies swimming on the night that she was born, 6 weeks early. It was to be my last hurrah before I stepped down for a while. I got to make some frantic calls to other leaders from the hospital to make sure that all the parents would know not to come. Fun times.

Earning my All-Round Cord
Earning my All-Round Cord as a Girl Guide in 1988

With a newborn my involvement waned again, but I continued to pay my member fees. I knew that when Hannah was 5 and ready for Sparks I’d be back in it. So this summer, once again, I called the membership line and offered to volunteer. I bought uniforms and a program book and badge scarf. I got a call from a Sparks leader and I met with her and we made plans for our group.

And then the whole thing fell apart. There were a few reasons, but what it came down to was this: I have way too much on my plate. And really, so does Hannah. She’s starting kindergarten and soccer 2 days a week. That feels like more than enough for right now. Add in my work and other volunteer commitments, my book project, Jon’s work and an active 2-year-old and our family is way, way too busy. Even without me volunteering as a leader, another activity for Hannah would be too much right now.

Buying roses in Cuernavaca
Buying roses on a Guiding trip to Mexico in 1991

But I felt a lot of conflict over my decision. I’ve spent almost 30 years as a Girl Guide. I knew I couldn’t do it, but I also couldn’t pull the trigger. It finally came to a head when I melted down at a meeting with other Girl Guide leaders. It was so, so intensely embarrassing, becoming yell-y and agitated because of all the pressure I was putting on myself. As I walked out of the meeting, I knew I had to bite the bullet. But even as I knew it, I wrestled with it.

I had been planning to share Guiding with my daughter long before I was even married. How could my daughter not attend Girl Guides? How could I pull my kid out of this organization that I spent so much time in myself? What would the mosaic of girl-hood look like without uniforms and cookie sales and enrollment nights? And how could my inner joiner and my inner giver make peace with backing out?

Me on the Pyramid of the Sun
Atop the Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico (Aside: how did that girl have body image issues?)

Once I finally worked up my courage and resigned, I discovered that Hannah was more than happy to pass up Sparks as long as she could keep her uniform and program book. And the other leaders completely understood where I was coming from. My stuff is my stuff, and (surprise surprise!) not everyone else shares it. A huge weight was lifted.

Thankfully, behaving badly in public is not the only legacy of my brief re-entry into Guiding. I learned that I do not have to overextend myself in the name of providing an experience to my daughter. In fact, it’s better for her if I don’t – a happy mother is a whole lot more fun to live with than a frazzled one. Any kid can tell you that. Now I can tell you that, too. I feel like I broke through the barrier of needing to ‘do’ and ‘please’, and that’s a powerful thing.

Maybe I’ll come back to Girl Guides at some point. Maybe I won’t. I’m cool either way – and that’s the part that matters.

Good-Bye Figure

Tonight is enrollment night at Brownies. It’s one of the big nights for our unit, and I look forward to it each year. For enrollment I wear my dress uniform, which consists of a navy blue skirt and a dress blouse. I put all of my insignia on, and wear fancy shoes, and so that the girls will realize that it’s a special night.

Since I got pregnant, my weekly uniform has been maternity jeans and an XL-sized Girl Guide T-shirt, not exactly dressy. So, I tried on my dress uniform last night. It was the first time I have worn non-maternity clothes, other than sweats, in about a month. It didn’t go so well. The skirt was not even close to fitting, and the blouse was no closer.

After some careful consideration, I decided to wear a black maternity skirt and white T-shirt. I will wear my dress blouse over top, open at the front, but with all the fancy insignia. Hopefully it captures the spirit of ‘I dressed up for you’. It’s the best that I can do with my expanding waistline, in any case.

I am clearly pregnant now, and I’m a little wistful. Part of me is afraid that I will never fit my old clothes again, which does happen. Although I am glad to be having a baby, it’s a little sad to let go of myself in the process. What I wear is not about me anymore, it’s all about accommodating the growing baby, and hopefully staying decent in the process.

Brownies

Last night was our first Brownie meeting, and 12 kids showed up. After having only 7 Brownies last year, I forgot how chaotic this many children can be. Lots of fun, but just crazy at moments.

I can tell that I am going to have to buy some maternity clothes soon. I can barely fit into my pants anymore. My uniform bottoms last night left a big red mark around my waist, although they are elasticized. It’s clear that I’m just going to have to bite the bullet, and probably by this weekend. Now, if only I actually looked pregnant, instead of just pudgy.

Registration

Last night was our Girl Guide registration night. As of right now, I have 11 girls, which is a nice-sized group. I have one other full-time leader, and one part-time leader as well, in addition to a new prospect in January. I think that this will be a good year for our Brownie unit.

The big news at Brownies this year, is that we have a new program. The new books are very colourful, and the program is less sequential. Overall, they seem to be moving away from the idea that you must complete part A before part B before part C, and moving towards just jumping in with whatever works. I think this makes more sense, especially for girls who enter Brownies late. They’re not forced to work on easier tasks with younger girls; instead, the whole unit can do everything together.

CRASH!

After our advancement ceremonies last night, some parents and I were talking while the Brownies ran wild. They were all hopped up on sugar and lavish praise, and it was the last meeting, so we let them go. Then we heard a sound that strikes horror into the hearts of adults–breaking glass.

The Brownies knocked a large framed photo of the church off a shelf. The image was scratched in places, and the frame was destroyed. And our Brownie unit is very, very poor. :-(

Luckily, one of the moms offered to take care it. Her dad, or Brownie Grandpa, is an Anglican priest at another church in the Lower Mainland. So, it seems that she has a connection to St. Timothy’s, and an understanding of church machinations. Which is so great for our unit.

I still feel awful. You know, I was having a good time chatting and not paying attention. It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye, right?

Brownie Camp

I spent last weekend, June 4-6, at Brownie Camp. We went to Camp Olave in Sechelt, and it was lovely. It was a bit cold and rainy on Saturday, but otherwise the weather was good. We did a Hawaiian theme, and it went really well. No fights, no crying really, and asleep before midnight both nights.

Here are things I learned at Brownie camp this year:
1. Kids can throw up way more food than they actually ate. Don’t ask how, it’s magic.

2. Swimming in the cold ocean on a rainy, windy day is the most fun ever.

3. Boy Scouts are yucky. Parking near Boy Scouts at the ferry terminal is mortifying.

4. Tired does not equal quiet in the under-10 set. Instead, it equals very, very noisy.

5. The older that you get, the harder it is to sleep in noisy / uncomfortable / unfamiliar situations.

6. No matter how many cool activities there are, the best part of Brownie Camp is the candy.